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Do neutrinos really have masses?
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SEKI
2015-12-11 17:32:26 UTC
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Do neutrinos really have masses?

I would like to congratulate Prof. Kajita and Prof. McDonald on receiving the
Nobel Prize.

Though neutrino oscillations are experimentally-verified facts, I wonder if
neutrinos really have masses.

If neutrinos have masses, undetectable low-speed neutrinos are to be traveling
in the space. According to the theory of special relativity, low-speed
neutrinos are to oscillate vertiginously.

The way of describing behavior of a neutrino as a mixture of wave packets with
different masses is kind of weird. With this model, as masses of neutrinos
(if any) are so tiny, oscillation frequencies of low-speed neutrinos should be
so low as to contradict the above relativistic consequence.

Besides, it is also experimentally verified that detected neutrinos travel at
almost exactly the speed of light.

Then, I assume that neutrinos do not have masses, and that neutrino oscillations
are phenomena similar to rotation of the plane of circularly-polarized light.

Am I wrong?

SEKI
SEKI
2015-12-14 15:26:26 UTC
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Post by SEKI
I would like to congratulate Prof. Kajita and Prof. McDonald on
receiving the Nobel Prize.
Though neutrino oscillations are experimentally-verified facts, I
wonder if neutrinos really have masses.
If neutrinos have masses, undetectable low-speed neutrinos are to
be traveling in the space. According to the theory of special
relativity, low-speed neutrinos are to oscillate vertiginously.
The way of describing behavior of a neutrino as a mixture of wave
packets with different masses is kind of weird. With this model,
as masses of neutrinos (if any) are so tiny, oscillation frequencies
of low-speed neutrinos should be so low as to contradict the above
relativistic consequence.
Besides, it is also experimentally verified that detected neutrinos
travel at almost exactly the speed of light.
Then, I assume that neutrinos do not have masses, and that neutrino
oscillations are phenomena similar to rotation of the plane of
circularly-polarized light.
Am I wrong?
Yes, you are.
Rotation of the plane of polarization !OF LINEARLY POLARIZED! light
is caused by interaction with the medium through which the light passes.
(if it contains optically active molecules)
It doesn't occur in a vacuum.
I surely wrote "rotation of the plane of circularly-polarized light".
I should have written "rotation of the polarization direction of
circularly-polarized light", which is to occur in vacuum.

This means that particles traveling at the speed of light can have a
periodically changing nature. So, I just wanted to indicate the
possibility of constructing a no-mass neutrino theory.

Then, which is less weird, the multiple-mass beat oscillation model or
intrinsic cyclical phase changing model (if any without theoretical
inconsistency)?

In all modesty, "A plague on both your houses". Don’t you agree?

SEKI
Lubomir Vlcek
2015-12-14 16:42:23 UTC
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Post by SEKI
Do neutrinos really have masses?
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Post by SEKI
Then, I assume that neutrinos do not have masses, and that neutrino oscillations
are phenomena similar to rotation of the plane of circularly-polarized light.
Am I wrong?
SEKI
Electron as (Electron- neutrino νe), (Muon - neutrino νμ), (Tauon - neutrino ντ ), (W+ BOSON - neutrino ντ),
(BOSON Z -neutrino ντ)

Kinetic energy of a charge moving at the velocity of v has two different values:

Kinetic energy against direction of motion as wave
Tkin ad = mc^2[ln |1+v/c|- (v/c)/(1+v/c)]

Kinetic energy in direction of motion as particle
Tkin id = mc^2[ln |1-v/c|+ (v/c)/(1-v/c)]


Electron............ Front of electron.................. Behind of electron................. Decay modes


v/c.................. [ln|1-v/c|+ (v/c)/(1-v/c)]........ .......[ln |1+v/c|- (v/c)/(1+v/c)]....... .....................


0,682155567...... 0,511 MeV................................... neutrino νe :58,5356 keV ..........e + νe


0,9953................ Muon: 105,658366838 MeV..... neutrino νμ : 98,0986 keV .......................


0,99642558......... π-: 139,57 MeV..................... neutrino νμ :98,24137 keV..... .......μ+ + νμ


0,99971317........ Tauon : 1776,84 MeV................. neutrino ντ : 98,0988 keV......... τ + ντ


0,99999364…….. W+ BOSON :80 398 MeV................neutrino ντ : 98,6972 keV................


0,999994397...... BOSON Z : 91 187,6 MeV............. neutrino ντ : 98,697282896 keV..........

Photon is 1 wave, that electron creates in the transmission medium.

Electron cloud is 4,56794e+14 ellipses per second (for spectral line Hα).

Photon is 4,56794e+14 waves per second (for spectral line Hα) that electron creates in the transmission medium.

Photon is not electron!

The photons correspond the kinetic energy of the electrons against the direction of their movement

Wave - Particle Duality as Kinetic Energy Against and In Direction of Motion.
Waves have not mass(kg). Photons also have not mass.

They have only energy (J). Energy of elmag.field. Energy in transmission medium.

Photon for spectral line Hα 656.281 + - 1.4 nm

Two minimal geodesics lying against each other = 1 ellipse

There are very many minimal geodesics = ellipses (4,56794e+14) between the north and south poles of a globe (between the higher Bohr´s energy levels and a lower Bohr´s energy as a poles of a globe.

Electron radiates electromagnetic waves if and only if moves with acceleration from the higher Bohr´s energy levels to a lower. In atom, as a source of electromagnetic waves , them it then , when it moves from afnucleum to perinucleum along the ellipse . Electron cloud is 4,56794e+14 ellipses per second (for spectral line Hα).


Kinetic energy of a charge moving at the velocity of v has two different values:

Kinetic energy against direction of motion as wave
Tkin ad = mc2[ln |1+v/c|- (v/c)/(1+v/c)]

Kinetic energy in direction of motion as particle
Tkin id = mc2[ln |1-v/c|+ (v/c)/(1-v/c)]

Electron has own mass 9.1e-31 kg. Electron creates waves in transmision

medium with kinetic energy against direction of motion as wave in transmission medium (as the

energy of the electromagnetic field)

Tkin ad = mc^2[ln |1+v/c|- (v/c)/(1+v/c)]

m =9.1e-31 kg



Blinks flashes 4,56794e+14 times per second is "photon" for spectral line Hα.

"Photon" mass = 0 kg

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Electron creates waves in transmision medium with energy
Tkin ad = mc^2[ln |1+v/c|- (v/c)/(1+v/c)]


We have a bijection between kinetic energy of real particles against direction of motion as wave

Tkin ad = mc^2[ln |1+v/c|- (v/c)/(1+v/c)] & a mass of „waves“ = electromagnetic waves, as unstable “particles” - neutrínos νe, νμ, ντ , mesons π0, π+ , π- , η , K and gamma rays (=waves of extremely high frequency >10^19 Hz )


Kinetic Energy According to Einstein and According the Latest Knowledge
http://vixra.org/pdf/1412.0125v1.pdf


Wave - Particle Duality as Kinetic Energy Against and In Direction of Motion.
http://vixra.org/pdf/1501.0197v1.pdf


Particles, Waves and Trends in Physics
http://vixra.org/pdf/1404.0273v1.pdf


Corrected Newton´s Laws of Motion
http://vixra.org/pdf/1501.0199v1.pdf
j***@gmail.com
2016-01-16 18:43:51 UTC
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Post by Lubomir Vlcek
Post by SEKI
Do neutrinos really have masses?
If a point particle has energy it has mass.
Particles are defined as points of energy.
Light floats with mass inside of the atom.

Mitchell Raemsch
Post by Lubomir Vlcek
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Post by SEKI
Then, I assume that neutrinos do not have masses, and that neutrino oscillations
are phenomena similar to rotation of the plane of circularly-polarized light.
Am I wrong?
SEKI
Electron as (Electron- neutrino νe), (Muon - neutrino νμ), (Tauon - neutrino ντ ), (W+ BOSON - neutrino ντ),
(BOSON Z -neutrino ντ)
Kinetic energy against direction of motion as wave
Tkin ad = mc^2[ln |1+v/c|- (v/c)/(1+v/c)]
Kinetic energy in direction of motion as particle
Tkin id = mc^2[ln |1-v/c|+ (v/c)/(1-v/c)]
Electron............ Front of electron.................. Behind of electron................. Decay modes
v/c.................. [ln|1-v/c|+ (v/c)/(1-v/c)]........ .......[ln |1+v/c|- (v/c)/(1+v/c)]....... .....................
0,682155567...... 0,511 MeV................................... neutrino νe :58,5356 keV ..........e + νe
0,9953................ Muon: 105,658366838 MeV..... neutrino νμ : 98,0986 keV .......................
0,99642558......... π-: 139,57 MeV..................... neutrino νμ :98,24137 keV..... .......μ+ + νμ
0,99971317........ Tauon : 1776,84 MeV................. neutrino ντ : 98,0988 keV......... τ + ντ
0,99999364…….. W+ BOSON :80 398 MeV................neutrino ντ : 98,6972 keV................
0,999994397...... BOSON Z : 91 187,6 MeV............. neutrino ντ : 98,697282896 keV..........
Photon is 1 wave, that electron creates in the transmission medium.
Electron cloud is 4,56794e+14 ellipses per second (for spectral line Hα).
Photon is 4,56794e+14 waves per second (for spectral line Hα) that electron creates in the transmission medium.
Photon is not electron!
The photons correspond the kinetic energy of the electrons against the direction of their movement
Wave - Particle Duality as Kinetic Energy Against and In Direction of Motion.
Waves have not mass(kg). Photons also have not mass.
They have only energy (J). Energy of elmag.field. Energy in transmission medium.
Photon for spectral line Hα 656.281 + - 1.4 nm
Two minimal geodesics lying against each other = 1 ellipse
There are very many minimal geodesics = ellipses (4,56794e+14) between the north and south poles of a globe (between the higher Bohr´s energy levels and a lower Bohr´s energy as a poles of a globe.
Electron radiates electromagnetic waves if and only if moves with acceleration from the higher Bohr´s energy levels to a lower. In atom, as a source of electromagnetic waves , them it then , when it moves from afnucleum to perinucleum along the ellipse . Electron cloud is 4,56794e+14 ellipses per second (for spectral line Hα).
Kinetic energy against direction of motion as wave
Tkin ad = mc2[ln |1+v/c|- (v/c)/(1+v/c)]
Kinetic energy in direction of motion as particle
Tkin id = mc2[ln |1-v/c|+ (v/c)/(1-v/c)]
Electron has own mass 9.1e-31 kg. Electron creates waves in transmision
medium with kinetic energy against direction of motion as wave in transmission medium (as the
energy of the electromagnetic field)
Tkin ad = mc^2[ln |1+v/c|- (v/c)/(1+v/c)]
m =9.1e-31 kg
Blinks flashes 4,56794e+14 times per second is "photon" for spectral line Hα.
"Photon" mass = 0 kg
.
Electron creates waves in transmision medium with energy
Tkin ad = mc^2[ln |1+v/c|- (v/c)/(1+v/c)]
We have a bijection between kinetic energy of real particles against direction of motion as wave
Tkin ad = mc^2[ln |1+v/c|- (v/c)/(1+v/c)] & a mass of „waves“ = electromagnetic waves, as unstable “particles” - neutrínos νe, νμ, ντ , mesons π0, π+ , π- , η , K and gamma rays (=waves of extremely high frequency >10^19 Hz )
Kinetic Energy According to Einstein and According the Latest Knowledge
http://vixra.org/pdf/1412.0125v1.pdf
Wave - Particle Duality as Kinetic Energy Against and In Direction of Motion.
http://vixra.org/pdf/1501.0197v1.pdf
Particles, Waves and Trends in Physics
http://vixra.org/pdf/1404.0273v1.pdf
Corrected Newton´s Laws of Motion
http://vixra.org/pdf/1501.0199v1.pdf
j***@gmail.com
2016-01-22 01:36:06 UTC
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Post by j***@gmail.com
Post by Lubomir Vlcek
Post by SEKI
Do neutrinos really have masses?
If a point particle has energy it has mass.
Particles are defined as points of energy.
Light floats with mass inside of the atom.
Mitchell Raemsch
Light's mass is the lowest of energies densities.
C is fundamental for light's energy density.
C squared is point particle energy density.

Mitchell Raemsch
Post by j***@gmail.com
Post by Lubomir Vlcek
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Post by SEKI
Then, I assume that neutrinos do not have masses, and that neutrino oscillations
are phenomena similar to rotation of the plane of circularly-polarized light.
Am I wrong?
SEKI
Electron as (Electron- neutrino νe), (Muon - neutrino νμ), (Tauon - neutrino ντ ), (W+ BOSON - neutrino ντ),
(BOSON Z -neutrino ντ)
Kinetic energy against direction of motion as wave
Tkin ad = mc^2[ln |1+v/c|- (v/c)/(1+v/c)]
Kinetic energy in direction of motion as particle
Tkin id = mc^2[ln |1-v/c|+ (v/c)/(1-v/c)]
Electron............ Front of electron.................. Behind of electron................. Decay modes
v/c.................. [ln|1-v/c|+ (v/c)/(1-v/c)]........ .......[ln |1+v/c|- (v/c)/(1+v/c)]....... .....................
0,682155567...... 0,511 MeV................................... neutrino νe :58,5356 keV ..........e + νe
0,9953................ Muon: 105,658366838 MeV..... neutrino νμ : 98,0986 keV .......................
0,99642558......... π-: 139,57 MeV..................... neutrino νμ :98,24137 keV..... .......μ+ + νμ
0,99971317........ Tauon : 1776,84 MeV................. neutrino ντ : 98,0988 keV......... τ + ντ
0,99999364…….. W+ BOSON :80 398 MeV................neutrino ντ : 98,6972 keV................
0,999994397...... BOSON Z : 91 187,6 MeV............. neutrino ντ : 98,697282896 keV..........
Photon is 1 wave, that electron creates in the transmission medium.
Electron cloud is 4,56794e+14 ellipses per second (for spectral line Hα).
Photon is 4,56794e+14 waves per second (for spectral line Hα) that electron creates in the transmission medium.
Photon is not electron!
The photons correspond the kinetic energy of the electrons against the direction of their movement
Wave - Particle Duality as Kinetic Energy Against and In Direction of Motion.
Waves have not mass(kg). Photons also have not mass.
They have only energy (J). Energy of elmag.field. Energy in transmission medium.
Photon for spectral line Hα 656.281 + - 1.4 nm
Two minimal geodesics lying against each other = 1 ellipse
There are very many minimal geodesics = ellipses (4,56794e+14) between the north and south poles of a globe (between the higher Bohr´s energy levels and a lower Bohr´s energy as a poles of a globe.
Electron radiates electromagnetic waves if and only if moves with acceleration from the higher Bohr´s energy levels to a lower. In atom, as a source of electromagnetic waves , them it then , when it moves from afnucleum to perinucleum along the ellipse . Electron cloud is 4,56794e+14 ellipses per second (for spectral line Hα).
Kinetic energy against direction of motion as wave
Tkin ad = mc2[ln |1+v/c|- (v/c)/(1+v/c)]
Kinetic energy in direction of motion as particle
Tkin id = mc2[ln |1-v/c|+ (v/c)/(1-v/c)]
Electron has own mass 9.1e-31 kg. Electron creates waves in transmision
medium with kinetic energy against direction of motion as wave in transmission medium (as the
energy of the electromagnetic field)
Tkin ad = mc^2[ln |1+v/c|- (v/c)/(1+v/c)]
m =9.1e-31 kg
Blinks flashes 4,56794e+14 times per second is "photon" for spectral line Hα.
"Photon" mass = 0 kg
.
Electron creates waves in transmision medium with energy
Tkin ad = mc^2[ln |1+v/c|- (v/c)/(1+v/c)]
We have a bijection between kinetic energy of real particles against direction of motion as wave
Tkin ad = mc^2[ln |1+v/c|- (v/c)/(1+v/c)] & a mass of „waves“ = electromagnetic waves, as unstable “particles” - neutrínos νe, νμ, ντ , mesons π0, π+ , π- , η , K and gamma rays (=waves of extremely high frequency >10^19 Hz )
Kinetic Energy According to Einstein and According the Latest Knowledge
http://vixra.org/pdf/1412.0125v1.pdf
Wave - Particle Duality as Kinetic Energy Against and In Direction of Motion.
http://vixra.org/pdf/1501.0197v1.pdf
Particles, Waves and Trends in Physics
http://vixra.org/pdf/1404.0273v1.pdf
Corrected Newton´s Laws of Motion
http://vixra.org/pdf/1501.0199v1.pdf
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